Ezekiel 18:19-20 indicates that guilt for sin is not transferable, but the consequences can often touch several generations. They probably went from Gibeon by some circuitous route so they did not come directly from the west where they actually lived. As mentioned earlier, there was the rebellion of Absalom. This is interesting. In verse 7 we see the only thing in the entire situation that was any good at all. He did not do a thing that a king or judge should do. See? The prophet Zechariah asks a question that is forever pertinent to all spiritual considerations and decisions: "For who hath despised the day of small things?" How does this all connect with Ezekiel chapter 18? For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.". What Saul did was commit another presumptuous sin. If what happened against Gibeon occurred during Saul's reign, even if it was in the latter half, it would mean it was at least (if we are in the last decade of King David's reign) that the massacre of Gibeonites occurred 40 or 50 years earlier. God is just. We have an easier time identifying with the flawed, but heroic, Lancelot from the legends of King Arthur, because he is a lot more like ushe commits sin; he has faults. God was not in all his thoughts during this time. Saul was thirty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned for forty -two years over Israel. The Gibeonites were a very shrewd bunch of people. And these men, they need to be buried. And it very seriously affected his judgment in this matter. Asked August 31 2013 Vote Up The Lord told them they had made a commitment to these people and they had to stand by it. God said explicitly to destroy everything! One is God's judgment upon the actual person for the actual sin; the other is God's punishment that He has automatically put into the law that allows the effects to last for a few generations. If people grow up in a society and culture that does not have God at their beck and call, they do whatever they wantwhatever comes naturally. WebThis points to their employment in the sanctuary; and possibly may shed some light on the massacre of the Gibeonites by Saul (2 Samuel 21:1). All they wanted, they said, was a peace treaty with Israel; then they would return to their distant home. Some unfinished business here needs to be taken care of. Although the people of Israel had sworn to spare them, Saul had sought to strike them down in his zeal for the people of Israel and Judah. In some ways, the story centers around covenants or treaties, one made between Israel and the Gibeonites in Joshua 9, another between Jonathan and David in 1 Sam. It says a bit later that somebody told him what that woman was doing out there protecting the bodies of the slain men of Saul's house for the past six months and it was as though he said, "Oh really? Saul's bones are still in Jabesh-Gilead. The world's arsenal is growing daily in material strength and sophisticated intimidation. It is for Saul. They haven't been put in Kish's sepulcher yet. He understood it. Two years is a long time. And when Saul saw any strong man or any valiant man, he took him for himself. He was distracted. A good answer provides new insight and perspective. So Joshua made peace with them, and made a covenant with them to let them live; and the rulers of the congregation swore to them. Rizpah, Lord Alfred Tennyson in 1878. 0 responses Does the devil have power to make us sick? Joshua kept his word to the Gibeonites even when it was inconvenient. Jonathan. We are starting to get some of the atmosphere around this event now. Why did Herod like to listen to John the Baptist, who criticized Herods lifestyle? This famine has been going on for three years, year after year. How much food did Jesus produce? It is not genetic. They buried the bones of Saul and Jonathan his son in the country of Benjamin in Zelah, in the tomb of Kish his father. What have you been thinking about?". This angered God and was only amended years later after sacrificing seven of Sauls sons to the Gibeonites by hanging them before Jehovah at Sauls hometown, Gibeah. After that, Gibeonites were no longer mentioned though there are some writers who believed that they were among the Nethinim, the ones selected to serve the temple. Fifty years ago was 1957. Then, I am sure, he started to think about other things that were happening, and he started to make some reforms in himself. God isn't very pleased that these bodies have been exposed for six months against His law.". The world's arsenal is growing daily in material strength and sophisticated intimidation. Then they answered the king, "As for the man who consumed us and plotted against us, that we should be destroyed from remaining in any of the territories of Israel, "let seven men of his descendants be delivered to us, and we will hang them before the LORD in Gibeah of Saul, whom the LORD chose." He keeps his word even to his own disadvantage and does not change it [for his own benefit] (Psalm 15:1, 4; AMP). Who are the twenty four elders that John foresaw? These cagey enemies of God's people were destined to be destroyed, so they devised a simple, but clever scheme to deceive Israel in the hope of saving their own necks. Even so, maybe there were even worse problems, perhaps, and David was blind to them for three years. We have all followed in the same way of life as our first parents Adam and Eve. I think he was looking at Adonijah and Solomon, and seeing the positioning for the throne, and he just wanted to throw up his handsflee like some bird (Psalm 139). Those who believe that they can outsmart, outflank or in any way outmaneuver our Enemy through cerebral strategies are doomed to the slavery and destruction heaped upon Saul and the Gibeonites. A lot can happen in two years. Deuteronomy 32:4. 1 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year. I do not know if that was the case, but he had just gone through Absalom's rebellion, and Sheba's rebellion, and maybe he allowed that to cross his mind too. And we bear the guilt with them for that. They made their dust-covered clothes to look worn and ragged as if they had been on the road for many days, even months. There were no cell phones. Now the Gibeonites were not of the children of Israel, but of the remnant of the Amorites; the children of Israel had sworn protection to them, but Saul had sought to kill them in his zeal for the children of Israel and Judah. You are getting later and later in David's life here. There was no negotiation; there was no calling them on anything. Oh, fear the LORD, you His saints! Another group, however, argues that as God's anointed king, Instead, they told a story that either ignored the truth completely or, at least, shaded the truth in such a way that it was full of guile and deceit. They did not seek God in this matter. It was certainly alive and well in Israel. He needed God to forgive him. Saul, Israel's first king thought he knew better than God. Exodus 21:12-13 "He who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put to death. 17 Then the children of Israel journeyed and came to their cities on the third day. King Saul would conscript them into the army, and off they would go in a bloodthirsty rage against somebody else. They did not ask, "God, what should we do to these people, the Gibeonites? Jerusalem is almost directly west a few miles, but it is quite high from the Jordan to the Jerusalem. The Jewish Encyclopedia asserts that one group of rabbis felt that Saul's punishment at God's hands is a sign of his weak moral character whose only virtue was being tall and handsome. It must have been a satisfactory solution from Gods point of view, because he sent the rain on the land after the measures had been taken. The verb is used in this sense with respect to Joshua's action toward the Gibeonites in Joshua 9:27, where cultic servitude is involved ("for the altar of the Lord"). The time had passed. Notice the timing and the manner of the execution. the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the How far away was Gilgal from Gibeon? But certainly, David was. II Samuel 21:1-14 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the L ORD. Throughout the Scriptures warnings of spiritual dangers are signaled by the flash cards of attention getting words like: "Take heed" or "Consider". Now, if they participated in his sin, then of course, they will bear the guilt for their participation in that sin. He had to sit there and judge people with all the little things they constantly brought up to him that seemed to need his decision on. The Israelites had taken an oath concerning them, but in his zeal for Israel and Judah, Saul had sought to kill them.) Why are they where they were? He keeps his word even to his own disadvantage and does not change it [for his own benefit] (Psalm 15:1, 4; AMP). For a relatively small group the Gibeonites drove a hard bargain and soon it was a done deal. And Agag, he's a nice guy! DESTRUCTION AND CORRUPTION "There was a famine in the days of King David for three years, year after year. There was a covenant with those people that not only Joshua and the people honored, but also God Himself honored as well. This indicates that God was not pleased, whatsoever, with how this situation was resolved by David. There is no want to those who fear Him. So you shall not pollute the land where you are [this is very important]; for blood defiles the land, and no atonement can be made for the land, for the blood that is shed on it, except by the blood of him who shed it. September 01 2013 persecuted and killed the Gibeonites men in a covenant relationship with Israel who served at the tabernacle. If, in the event the Israelis ever came their way, they would be servants to the people of Israel. He sees the hearts of men and the hidden actions of men. Matt 24:4/Mk 13:5/Lk 21:8. It does not require at all times that a person guilty of bloodshed die. God is not bloodthirsty, but He had told them what to do. I know that he had other family problems because the prophecies said that he would. Of course, a part of it is being able to look at ourselves and see how dirty, nasty, and rotten we are, and saying, "There is no way that anybody could live in this world without sin; even God's beloved Son.". So they answered Joshua and said, "Because your servants were clearly told that the LORD your God commanded His servant Moses to give you all the land, and to destroy all the inhabitants of the land from before you.". The Gibeonites achieved their short term goal - survival; but they paid a terribly long term price for it - virtual slavery! WebWhen God called Saul to be king, Israel was on the verge of collapse. What would be some verses from the Bible to save a marriage? Web2 Samuel 21:2 indicates that King Saul pursued the Gibeonites and sought to kill them off "in his zeal for the children of Israel and Judah" (2 Samuel 21:5). This does not make any sense. As Christians living amidst spiritual famine, we dare not compromise with the culture around us. Saul had four sons. * Jonathanhe befriended David, died with Saul on Mount Gilboa * Abinadabdied with Saul on Mount Gilboa * Malchishuadied with Exodus 21:23-25 But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. If a person sins, he receives God's judgment for those sins. It is the time of the beginning of the barley harvest. In reading the Psalms, on the other hand, we get an idea of just how grateful he was for God's forgiveness and grace, because I believe he was aware of just what a rotten individual he really was. The higher the vote, the further up an answer is. How long was the average lifespan at the time? Go back with me to Deuteronomy 7 and see the instruction that God gave to Israel about how to deal with these kinds of people. II Samuel 21:1-2 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the LORD. Should we make a covenant with them? There is not much wiggle room in all this. Then, they went after Jericho, and it fell. They had a more bloody and violent systemwhich often led to blood feuds that may not ever end until a whole family or generation was gone. Perhaps these last few verses suggest that, in burying the bones of Saul and Jonathan, David repented of his sins regarding this whole incident. Gibeon is only a few miles mostly north of Jerusalem. They were the five sons of Merab, Saul's daughter. It is easy to read this story blithely, and to think that David righted some longstanding wrongs that had happened, and then God happily sent rain to the parched land of Israel. Web2 Samuel 21:1 Context. WebThese lists are not concerned with the Gibeonites at Gibeon, but with the Benjaminite group which came to settle at Gibeon in the course of time. King David was compelled to hand over his own people to the power of Israel's ongoing enemies. That is that he could have gone along with the Gibeonite's demands in order to get rid of seven possible contenders for his throne. We cannot let them linger around. He just let the natural cycles take their course. 0 responses There is demotion. If you read 2Samuel 21 carefully, it seems possible that Saul and his house may have been trying to get the Gibeonites territory. Pagan cultures were killed because they were pagan cultures and they were making war on Gods people. Saul agreed, and off he went. THE STORY OF THE GIBEONITES - It is after Absalom's rebellion. Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the LORD. Finally, someone says to David, "Hey, did you know that Rizpah has been out on a rock for six months, sitting there day after day, protecting the corpses from birds and such, because the Gibeonites won't let her take them down and bury them? I think he was distracted because the turmoil had taken such a toll on Israel, and the famine too, that he was worried about the economy, rebuilding cities and fortifications, and his alliances with Hiram and others. Then there is another thing. When the Gibeonites heard that the other nations were going to attack them, they sent a message to Joshua and the people, Help! The stories of such people like Abel, Seth, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, and on through the chapter give us hope that like them we can overcome and be assured of entering the Kingdom of God. The Gibeonites merely asked for a mutual help pact that would guarantee not only mercy and aid from Israel, but protection from their common enemies. This was a long time ago. The soul who sins shall die. Report, August 29 2022 Share Now the Gibeonites were not of the people of Israel but of the remnant of the Amorites. And then King David inquired of the Lord. This is a major reason why the church of God does not subscribe to the traditional doctrine of "The Fall of Man." Is there something I'm missing? Instead, David brings back twice as many. You shall make no covenant with them nor show mercy to them. It wouldnt be surprising if these people had become worshippers of God, from their exposure to the tabernacle and teaching. Then we have the explanations of which we just went over. I am putting this all together from history. It would have been the answer. However, we have a great deal of trouble identifying with or understanding pure, innocent and perfect Galahad. This incident of the famine took place rather late in David's life. How did the spirit of God move upon the face of the waters in Genesis 1:2? They are still there. That would be such a carnal thing to dojust let the Gibeonites kill seven of Saul's kids who could claim the Israelite throne and get them out of the way. He was distracted by the cares of this world, by the pulls of this, that, and the other thing, and so he gives in and compromises with the people of the land. How many died in bar-fights? He has mercy, and holds the curses to just a few generations, but He allows the results of doing righteousness to last forever. Back to the Gibeonitesmost people probably did not remember it. But the consequences of their sinswhat it means to us; what happened because of their sinstill affects us today. I will do it." Because he may have been still depressed by Absalom's death. For the Gibeonites, their wily guile and deception gained them survival and nothing more. So this zeal may not have carried good connotations (cf John 2:17) it was not zeal for God but zeal for man, an ongoing problem with Saul. Finally the light came on, and David said, "I had better ask what is going on here. II Samuel 21:1-14 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year; and David inquired of the LORD. And, that was that. Now it came to pass, when Adonizedec king of Therefore, this curse goes down until the gene pool is able to kick it outthree or four generations. ", God answered immediately, "It is because of Saul and his bloodthirsty house. The Gibeonites decided on a different strategy. There were not very many of them left. Saul, after having disqualified himself from being king, sought to ingratiate himself with God by killing Canaanites, including an unrecorded massacre of Gibeonites. There were no conditions. Because David had been good friends with Jonathan, he at first allowed all of Sauls family to continue to live peaceably in the land. The Gibeonites joined in the fight against the Philistines B. Now Rizpah the daughter of Aiah took sackcloth and spread it for herself on the rock, from the beginning of harvest until the late rains poured on them from heaven. I do not know when God through Samuel stripped him of the kingdom. But, they like the dark one because he is moody, and doing things not for quite the right reasons. 5. David was annonted by Sammuel Apr 10, 1035. Where have you been, David? Yes, my lord, he answered. All I do know is that they do hold a solid place in world history and one of their offshoots or branches were the Gibeonites. Only when the Gibeonites were under siege from a common enemy and were calling in the marker on their mutual aid treaty did the Israelites turn to God for counsel and advice. WebA three years' famine in the days of David was attributed to God's anger at the unexpiated crime of Saul in slaying the Gibeonites. Saul committed a great crime against Gibeon and the Gibeonites. And you shall take no ransom for him who has fled to his city of refuge, that he may return to dwell in the land before the death of the priest [no way of getting out of that either; he has to serve his whole time]. But Joshua had the final decision. But, are these people telling the truth? THE STORY OF JOSEPH - So, he kept his own covenant, but he did not go any further to figure out from God's law to know what should be done in this situation. God tells us that, spiritually, we have to go and wipe them out. The last time Saul did swear not to kill David, Saul swore "by YHWH" not to kill david he broke it many times over since. God took the initiative in this matter, by afflicting the nation of Israel with a famine because the house of Saul had put the Gibeonites to death. Saul and the heir to the throne, his son, Jonathan, were killed in a battle with the Philistines, and by popular acclamation, David became the King of Israel. You didn't do it. He came at this as though he were guilty with Saul; that all Israelites were guilty with Saul and his house. There are references to the Lord, but they are not references in a spiritual sense. Then they were able to pick up the pieces of their lives and move forward by the strength that God gave them to overcome and to grow, and to put on the mindthe characterof Christ. In addition, after this was the rebellion of Sheba, in which there were all kinds of disruptions until Sheba was killed. There are things like destruction for their sin, and the family takes that long to recover from that destruction. Throughout the Scriptures warnings of spiritual dangers are signaled by the flash cards of attention getting words like: "Take heed" or "Consider". Let me ask God about this. We are talking about the possibility of only two of the seven even remotely having any guilt in this matter whatsoever. Report You had to go up quite a bit. So, give or take, 40 to 50 years have passed. Or as the Gibeonites said Saul consumed them and tried to destroy them a people Israel had entered into a covenant with 400 years earlier. They handed their enemies hard, stale, moldy bread and told them it had been freshly baked when they left home. These conflicting views on Saul would continue long past the biblical era and into modern times. SERIES INTRODUCTION God told Joshua to get rid of all these foreigners in the land. Why didnt Abraham bargain with God when it came to Isaac being offered as a burnt offering like he did when it came to Sodom and Gomorrah? 12 Saul said, Listen now, son of Ahitub.. II Samuel 21:14 So they performed all that the king commanded. The Gibeonites presented themselves to the invading Israelites, not as nearby neighbors, but as distant foreigners who lived in a far-off land. 2 And the king called the Gibeonites, and said unto them; (now the Gibeonites were not of the children of Israel, but of the WebA famine lasting three years hit Israel during the earlier half of David 's reign at Jerusalem. or who shall stand in his holy place? That is basically how it was. Joshua and that generation did not do their entire job, and so they were stuck. He committed colossal sins that whole nations would be held in contempt for. Jamieson, Fausset and Brown comments: It was a heathen practice to gibbet men with a view of appeasing the anger of the gods in seasons of famine, and the Gibeonites, who were a remnant of the Amorites, though brought to the knowledge of the true God, were not, it seems, free from this superstition. 3. It has got to go. Webdid mika hakkinen win a championship; cosmic casino no deposit bonus 2022; natwest financial calendar; south bay christmas events; when did saul slew the gibeonites. Those who believe that they can outsmart, outflank or in any way outmaneuver our Enemy through cerebral strategies are doomed to the slavery and destruction heaped upon Saul and the Gibeonites. (Now the Gibeonites were not Israelites, but a remnant of the Amorites. King Saul later broke the treaty that Joshua had signed and attacked the Gibeonites. Later still, during the time of King David, a famine occurred in Israel. When David asked the Lord about the famine, God said, It is on account of Saul and his blood-stained house; it is because he put the Gibeonites to death (2 Samuel 21:1). And King David rolled over and let this happen. There is no record in the Bible of Saul killing Gibeonites. He gets kicked down the societal ladder for his sin, and it takes three or four generations for the family to recover. They are two separate things. This poor man cried out, and the LORD heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles. David did not come to this with any regal neutrality in the least. In fact, look down to verse 15, II Samuel 21:15-17 When the Philistines were at war again with Israel, David and his servants with him went down and fought against the Philistines; and David grew faint. WebSaul kills the gentile Gibeonites (2 Sam 21) & banishes mediums in preparation for Tabernacle being moved from Nob to Gibeon. Obviously, having seen what happened to Jericho and Ai, they knew God and Israel were serious. We see in this little vignette that innocent people die; grief lingers forever; idolatry is committed; and the curse of famine continues; another harvest fails; and the land remains defiled; everything stinks of death. We had before that the episode with Amnon and Tamar. Israel had to live with those consequences for years to come. It is in II Samuel 21. Moreover, Samuel said, "What have you done? It would take three or four generations for perversion to be kicked out of a society. King David came at it from a position of weakness, not of one who knew God's law and could answer these people from spiritual strength. They were going to come in there and just exterminate. What is the meaning of the parable of the rich man and his manager? They are going to cause problems. Forty years, at least, has passed, and had they been involved in it back when Saul was still kinglet us say they were 18 to 20 years oldthese men involved in this massacre, should they still be alive, might be 60, 65, or even 70 years old. There is more space given to David's flaws than anyone else in the whole Bible. Your threshing shall last till the time of vintage, and the vintage shall last till the time of sowing; you shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely. Then they answered the king, "As for the man who consumed us and plotted against us, that we should be destroyed from remaining in any of the territories of Israel, "let seven men of his descendants be delivered to us, and we will hang them before the LORD in Gibeah of Saul, whom the LORD chose." Then Ishbi-Benob, who was one of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose bronze spear was three hundred shekels, who was bearing a new sword, thought he could kill David. Jesus Christ should be everyone's ultimate hero. God only let the rain cycle start again. He was thinking about a lot of other things. And the Lord said, "There is bloodguilt on Saul and on his house, because he put the Gibeonites to death. ", The Gibeonites, we are told, were not necessarily a warlike people. Why were genealogies so important to Israel? He was far from God during this time. David was Born Mar 2, 2022 A three-year famine occurs as a result of Sauls attack on the Gibeonites Mar 2, 2022. Our God has given us a law that says such and such, so this is what we are willing to do for you.". Evidently, that is what he did. But, the big thing was that he did not consult God about what he should do about it. I also want you to see how warlike Saul was. On the other hand, when people do well, like Abraham, and they live God's way of life, this allows God the leeway to show mercy unto thousands of generations of people. And the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites. Up and down your family tree, sin does not go. The breach of contract was serious enough that God sent the famine in response. The Bible barely alludes to the king's mad scheme, but we know that Saul's plot miserably failed. Why wasn't I told about this?" And she did not allow the birds of the air to rest on them by day nor the beasts of the field by night. So they fell, all seven together, and were put to death in the days of harvest, in the first days, in the beginning of barley harvest. I think he was distracted by all the cares of his office of being king. This shows that this portion of the story in II Samuel 21, hanging the bodies for six months or so, was an additional curse upon the land. What did David do to end the famine caused by Saul breaking a treaty with the Gibeonites? The Gibeonites were not Israelites, but the remnant of the Amorites, which Saul pursued from within Israel. But they refused the offer. 6. Moreover, the Gibeonites who survived remembered, and they wanted blood when they were asked. The choice by Adam and Eve in the garden was a sin, and they paid for it through death. Only after three days did they discover that their "far-distant" allies were really next-door neighbors! So he brought up the bones of Saul and the bones of Jonathan his son from there; and they gathered the bones of those who had been hanged. Spiritual virtues and qualities are largely unseen yet are more real and potent in lasting effects than the most formidable nuclear pile. The Gibeonites left their mark on Israel's history in another wretched incident involving King Saul (and his house?) ", Or even after two years. So David asked the Lord for help, and the Lord answered, Saul and his family are guilty of murder, because he had the Gibeonites killed. So, it is very likely that these men were murdered both as retribution and as sacrifices to some pagan god to spite the God of the Bible, and therefore, Israel. At the time the Israelites under Joshua invaded the Promised Land of Canaan, most of the inhabitants rose up in arms against them. All answers are REVIEWED and MODERATED. So they performed all that the king commanded. He did not negotiate at all. How many died in sicknesses? And the Gibeonites said to him, "We will have no silver or gold from Saul or from his house, nor shall you kill any man in Israel for us." He realized how often, and how far, he strayed from God's way of life. And, it certainly does not record that David took this to God for His solution to it. This has become known as the "eye for an eye principle." It was common knowledge. CONFLICT OF THE AGES ARTICLES It does not matter. He tried to come up with a compromise, and that was basically, "Whatever you want, you can have." God spared them as a people, but His nation condemned them to endless servitude. They didn't present themselves in a truthful light saying that they were neighbors who respected Israel's strength and godly advantage and were suing for peace. Or as the He was not thinking spiritually. He does not seem to have asked the priest who would know the law the best to find out what Scripture said about situations like this. It's much too heavy any more!" 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